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If the 21st century church had the same healthy respect for a literal hell that the 1st century church had, we might behave differently in and out of church including church leaders! Nor will Christians abandon their faith en masse over this. So much! After you were told by Bill that you dressed like a college professor and needed to dress appropriately for your position, I was the one asked to get you new clothing. I doubt you get the same affect from creepy weirdo hugs. But it seems that the true believer would not say, Now I un-repent and un-accept Jesus Christs death and resurrection as the atonement for the sins that I will never be able to pay, but rather, How is my sin like these sins? What is a godly response to this still-unfolding situation? and Is this a church I can keep attending and supporting?. A former minister of mine would give the teenage girl side hugs, which put his hand in a place it shouldnt have been. But then, Im just The Crazy Kid, and hes always been the Sweet Little Angel. Bill Hybels stepped down. (My roommate confirmed with the Tribune) When I got to the room, Bill had wine opened and waiting. Hence, it is easier to build a close-knit cult of people who really dont know each other that well. The issue with those who had represented themselves before God and man as being in a place of spiritual authority with the responsibility to be above reproach often have escaped civil or criminal conviction or any sort of permanent admission of guilt or shortcoming for which repentance is called. To fellowship with other believers? Sam Powell and Jeff Crippen who are a pastor who *get it* about abuse. As much as many hate reformed doctrine, there is much less of this particular error. Wife Bill Hybels married his wife in 1974 when Bill was a youth pastor. Agreed that Ms. Walles claims arent relevant to the question of Mr. Hybels actions, although they do speak to a toxic, boundary-less culture where men were apparently not held to high standards and did not have clear guidelines that held them accountable. I just posted an article with links to two case studies from the #MeToo movement, one from the entertainment field (Joss Whedon) and one from the skeptics/scientists author-speaker circuit (Lawrence Krauss). I am quite curious what nonsense what posted now, because what?! Perhaps. 2 comments not allowed. Yet, the faith grew in the midst of these awful circumstances. What is it about these minister and their hugs. That is a mistake. Sometime in the next two weeks, I am going to write a story about a woman who was raped by her husband. Its a very reasonable step for Mr Hybels publishers to at least suspend his books until a more independent investigation has been completed. just questioning a seeker sensitive approach can bring down a fair amount of push -back , heat, and attacks on your faith So, now the geru of it has resigned, over minor or mad eup attacks?? No idea the the Bible says, Do the work of an evangelist!. In lego marvel rescue minifigure Please read what I, a former elder, wrote. Just wonderin, Similarities Just published over on Spiritual Sounding Board, a list of key links on Willow Creek/Bill Hybels situation official statements by individuals and organizations directly involved, Chicago Tribune article series, and other writers (mostly survivor bloggers) who offer summaries, critical analysis, and comments. @ truthseeker00: And its worse for Christian rocks stars, because nobody spiritualizes your regular rock band, and expects them to be perfect. That is stunning. The retiring pastor calls it all collusion and lies. All about leadership, leadership, leadership. but 4 YEARS went by, even after John Ortberg tried to have the Willow Elders handle this 4 years Nancy Ortberg still didnt speak out. Whats His true name you should know youve written a lot of books, etc and been a pastor for a very long time. Its all lies doesnt cut it and sounds ridiculous. @ dee: Brad I am the Bride of Christ, the Church, as are Dee and Deb and many others who post here. Time for some more sacred cows to get smashed. I know. As Bill Hybels learned, there's far more to romantic love than meets the eye. If she ever blew the whistle on his evil-doing, he had prepared in advance the excuse he would give to the elders in his church: I had taken Ambien! #metoo. He did so for a reason and it is time to wake up and smell the coffee. Because you put so much trust and admire a leader like Hybels, your first instinct is to dismiss anything off about them. We have not seen courageous leadership. As with many couples, there were times we couldn't imagine making it through another year, let alone another decade or two. It would seem the as yet unnamed individual, reported to have had an affair, has legal claim against multiple parties. Trust me, Willow Creek has nothing to do with whether I follow Jesus or not. My answer is quite simple. Sexual predation is not based on *wanting to have sex. Wailing Wall-Satanic Ritual? Think about it. This is only the tip of the iceberg. This is so typical mega. I only hugged a co-worker once. @ Davis and Natasha: I am going to say something that will probably cause an uproar. In my 9 years of writing a blog which deals with abuse issues, I have been deeply upset by the responses of Christians when their celebrity church or pastor have been shown to have clay feet. And it is *by design*! These things are often expected immediately in the Christian world. Testimony of victims and witnesses is not gossip. Hybels, the influential founder and pastor Willow Creek, resigned in April 2018 after 42 years leading the church. For most organizations, hard questions and analytical thinking is NOT desirable, as it will almost always challenges the official orthodoxy and might even unmask hidden agendas. Many of them rented out old Walmart stores and added satellite campuses with downlinks. If they were sent and stored in a encrypted format, then you would need the key to open them and read them. Really? Have you any clue how prideful this sounds? Willow Creek's stature in the Christian community may have also helped Lynne Hybels, Bill's wife. I could be misconstruing everything & he may just be being over-sympathetic to me as a now single woman, trying to be nice, trying to be helpful (which he is to everyone). Or God is discipling yet another church. This sounds like the guys in the NHL who put black marks on their helmets when they get hit with puck. What happened to Willow Creek? Be nice and your comments will be let through. * It is about power and control and until people in churches get this, they will be waaaaay behind the culture. Sometimes theyre letting you know who theyve really been followingand who they havent been. Moths making holes in a cloak, The founding couple died, and the board got rid of those naughty kids and grandkids. And Charisma House/new Mark Driscoll book . . We are talking about someone very well paid to teach Jesus and model that teaching. I will tell you that the deception factor and the manipulation that went on with mega church staff is why I am not very understanding about anything that happens in them. So, as with what apparently happened at Willow Creek Church and Bill Hybels having his emails removed, that wasnt really a great idea. The Devil is destroying yet another church. Lynne Hybels did not respond to messages seeking comment. The Kingdom of God is not massive corporate structures and clever corporate game plans. Ortberg gives us some eyebrow raising information. As it says in the bible, Who are we to judge? As weve seen in recent years, email and other digital documents have become important sources of evidence in various kinds of disputes and court cases. A seminary student molested a bunch of boys at my former church. The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher. some Rabbi from Nazareth. The Aurora from TSO Photography on Vimeo. Number of accusations (so far) As I said before, I think people who disbelieve the testimony of victims are the least credible people in these situations.. Who are we to say which it is when somebody lances a boil and the pus drains out; but to continue the analogy the boil existed before the surgeons knife got anywhere near it. Unfortunately, this particular scandal not only impacts specific Willow Creek pastors or employees it impacts the body of Christ and the thousands of people seeking to know Jesus. I cant help but see your point here. Among the prominent U.S. and Palestinian church voices who spoke was Lynne Hybels, co-founder with her pastor husband Bill of the Chicago area Willow Creek Church, which itself spawned a . That ambien thing sounds like plausible deniability, doesnt it? . I guess Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus then. Other WCC members are posting this letter on fb. Bill Hybels and his wife, Lynne, tell about Willow Creek's beginnings, its struggles, the philosophy behind its success, and the strategies that have made it a model for church growth. But If you make a big deal about nothing, you are the problem. People will walk away from Jesus Christ because Billy Hybels is not who they thought he was? Rob Bells questioning of Hell has earned him a spot on the heresy list. I have encountered such men who speak pridefully about how many they have saved. The answer is quite simple. God is a title. Lynne Hybels is the wife of Bill Hybels-renowned founder and senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in Illinois. I can't apologize for his choices, but I do apologize for mine," she explained. Because your mind tells you this particular man YOU KNOW would never so you must be misjudging. To be in on developing and overseeing the budget? This fact is well known to those who are around sexual abuse/misconduct situations. This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. Dont get me started on how mega churches operate. Just without a Christianese coat of paint. It took her a long time to get up the courage to say enough was enough. OK. Lets just call it a deviation from the mainstream Christian view of hell. Its harder to sweep things under the rug when internet on-lookers are looking under rugs 24-7. kwim, dees? Fascinating. Now it seems we have a culture of corruption at Willow Creek from the Top-Down. But friends I hug more frequently, family, etc. Is that one of the reasons Student Centers/University Unions include Mall Food Courts and all the amenities of a high-end cruise ship? All so sad! It does not promise moonlight, roses and a string quartet. Still not handled. It took a long time for her to get past that. Is there love afte. We do not allow rank condemnation of anyone who has been victimized, even if said person doesnt believe them. Yes, we left HBC ourselves. I love Diane Langberg. You want to know the lack of leadership moment that really stood out to me in Hybels own words? Why not go public 4 years ago?? Everyone who is still there from the elders to the lowliest either thinks like this or doesnt dare open their mouth. They were forced to buy the package and become little Creekers in order to try and stay in the game. So, Am I over thinking it?, one wonders. Many friends of mine wouldnt have been willing to come to church (and eventually come to Christ) without the rock worship band and friendly-to-outsiders sermons. This is being dealt with by the appropriate people and I will follow up when I learn more. I tell you, when someone like BH is exposed, people come out of the woodworks to defend their celebrity hero and attempt to discredit the victims. Hybels has been open regarding his professional career but does not share any information about his personal life. Thanks, Futurist Guy. Rags to Riches to Rags in three generations. And if it gets really bad the staunch hybels factions may end up being ousted. Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. @ truthseeker00: Redemption. It was alleged in an article of 'Chicago Tribune.' Further, the Chicago Tribune and Christianity Today too reported allegations about his misconduct. From what I understand Hybels had a history of handpicking Bible versus to pummel anyone who disagreed with him concerning church doctrine, etc Not surprising. Working our works out of view, Come Lord Jesus! Its called passive aggressive and deflection. Second guessing somebodys way of dealing with their own spouse is usually really wrong. Nancy, like Vonda, believed her experience with Bill was an isolated incident. We experience the aftermath to this day. People you work with? This was a joke which proved how few people at WCC understand sexual harassment. This has been going on for a long time, and he has had much time to process this, and as he said, he has been accountable, at least after he let go of his anger, to the elders. The only thing you can blame other people for is making his deception known. When this discovery of improper behavior was taken to the senior pastor he aparrently refused to listen. I am absolutely sickened by this situation. They also have two children together, whose name we don't know. He could claim she was taking advantage of him (poor man) because she knew that after taking Ambien he might not be possessed of his full faculties for the rest of the night. Im thinking of 2 comments right now from over a year ago in which you reposted comments you attempted to post elsewhere. I guess you are not aware of the president for whom Hybels was a spiritual advisor. The Elders reviewed none for content. i can not think of any good reason the pastor would want that! . What BH did is reprehensible. I would be ROFL if it didnt mean that there are some folks who have been deceived. John Ortberg served (1994-2003) as teaching pastor at Chicagos Willow Creek Community Church. I get what you are trying to do and youre very good at it. The news of the divorce came as a shock to many, as the couple had always seemed to have a strong and healthy relationship. If interested, I posted more material, links, analysis, and some leads to Dan Brennans thoughts on anxious egalitarianism, on this article: https://futuristguy.wordpress.com/2018/04/12/some-thoughts-on-supposedly-feminist-men-who-reportedly-abuse-harass-women/. It works but is it the faith? For you cross land and sea to make a single convert, only to turn him into twice the Child of Hell as yourselves! Read the Bible Dee. Peoples boundaries and privacy should never be breached unless specifically invited or welcomed to do so one way or the other. I dont know what you have been told but, according to the Bible, Jesus is the one who brings people to Himself. And those who go on to attack the victims are generally clueless as to what the bible actually teaches. What you are saying is that public perception of sin causes people to walk away from the faith? Nope. 1 kiss @ dee: Solomon, Bathshebas second son by David. Every believer has a unique calling. I guess you are not aware of the president for whom Hybels was a spiritual advisor. . @ Barbara Roberts: They dont feel like telling anyone, just swallow it and hold it in. No one I know here has a problem with redemption. How many women would even dare come forward after being called liars, drunks and suicidal? Will they not both fall into a pit? Jodi may get extra points for a time for her clever rant but if this thing goes south she will be the first to go. Is it not I, the LORD? Some until their death beds. She had no way of knowing of other incidents and we now see why. Seems like a lot of marriages in and around WCC have some awful secrets. Since there's been no follow-up on their proposed Sunday morning mention of Hybels, it's safe to assume that multiple sources have told them that they made a grievous error to even suggest such a disgusting gesture. Much Prayer as God makes all things clear. Fools a lot of people and so utterly against anything Christ said. I have plenty of people whod vouch that Im often a royal pain in the keester, that I shoot from the hip, that I get downright angry, often in an ungodly way, when dealing with bullies, especially religious bullies, youd probably find some whod call me a contentious man, but I dont think youd find one of them whod call me a liar, a sleazy operator, a shifty lawyer type. I will leave you to your study. Written in 1999! Who is Bill Hybels? But I now see how he used his relationship with me as a shield, both during and after our marriage, so no one would question his relationships with other women or scrutinize his writing as anything other than feminist. havent forgotten. While WW can be messy, I think most poster here just want honesty, transparacy, and protection/respect of the weaker ones. Those of us in the pews and on staff are at fault. IM HEIR TO HIS THRONE! And it all comes cloaked in the name of the Christianity and the Church. Its the same thing my university wrings their hands over. Parallel universe I suppose; different set of rules most likely. Bill Hybels is human and who are we to judge? I know the sun will rise in the morning, that there is a light at the end of every tunnel.Michael Morpurgo. Oh yeah. How can leadership send an OPINION to the entire congregation? And, no, it does not minimize their words concerning what Bill Hybels has done. You were there (especially for children) Unfortunately, this particular scandal not only impacts specific Willow Creek pastors or employees it impacts the body of Christ and the thousands of people seeking to know Jesus. Good point. Two general statements: Dee, I was wondering how you got him to do that gig. To TWW regulars: I am becoming concerned that there will be a full court press by some people. @ Law Prof: It is clear to me that God did not want this hidden any longer.. Lawrence Krauss is a famous atheist and liberal crusader and, in certain whisper networks, a well-known problem, according to author Peter Aldhous, in his article on *BuzzFeed*. That isnt good for anyone. Ephesians 4:2. But worse. She also questioned her own judgment in whether he was actually being inappropriate. Lynne Hybels Bill (281 results). The exact same mind control tools create social justice Warrior Churches as are used to create mega seeker churches or the monolithic SBC franchise. Put it in context and think about such a convo. There were some very attractive female students. Who appointed you besides yourself ? Status? I try to look for the patterns and tactics of the perps and their enablers. Instead, we are the be faithful to our calling. And, are most people blowing this thing up bigger than it is. Its hard to tell what I havent read. Yesterday evening I was milling through the books at Goodwill. 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